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how to get an ownership?
- buying a dirt bike with no ownership.
started by rmz-rider
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January 26th 2010 at 3:04 PM
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rmz-rider
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Member Since: January 26th 2010
Location: Ontario, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 05 kxf 250
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hey guys, i am new to the forum and i am wondering what the process is of getting an ownership for a dirt bike
the seller bought the bike from St. Onge last summer and it didn't come with an ownership
since he bought it from St. Onge, i am assuming its not stolen.
its a suzuki rm-z 250 race bike.
what are the steps of getting an ownership for a dirt bike in Ontario?
any help would be appreciated!
SOLD 2005 kx 250f.
- pro circuit ti-4 full exhaust
- pro circuit water pump system
- hinson clutch
wishing i could buy a new bike!
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January 26th 2010 at 6:16 PM
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Dekk
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Location: Hawarden, Iowa, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kawasaki KX250F
Race Number: 25
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The only kind of ownership I have is a Bill of Sale saying I bought it.
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January 26th 2010 at 6:31 PM
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MX86
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Current Dirtbike: 2006 Yamaha yz250
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That's what i use, a bill of sale.
Most Race Bikes can't be titled (especially in the states)
Living Life 1 berm at a time.
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January 26th 2010 at 9:03 PM
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rmz-rider
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20 Posts
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Member Since: January 26th 2010
Location: Ontario, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 05 kxf 250
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so if i buy this bike and get a bill of sale, and get pulled over by the police while riding, i can just show them the bill of sale? and they shouldnt bug me?
remember i live in Ontario, Canada
SOLD 2005 kx 250f.
- pro circuit ti-4 full exhaust
- pro circuit water pump system
- hinson clutch
wishing i could buy a new bike!
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January 26th 2010 at 9:10 PM
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MX86
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753 Posts
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Member Since: June 5th 2008
Location: Nashwauk, MN, USA
Current Dirtbike: 2006 Yamaha yz250
Race Number: 86
Sponsors: X-Brand, Gravity Worx
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For us in the states, we can use the Bill of sale to get our bike registered (through the respected Department of Natural Resources)
Now keep in mind that is just so we can use the State Forest.
Living Life 1 berm at a time.
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January 26th 2010 at 9:17 PM
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rmz-rider
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Member Since: January 26th 2010
Location: Ontario, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 05 kxf 250
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ok, so if the dirt bike is not stolen, and i bring the bill of sale to the mto (ministry of transportation) they should give me an ownership?
and another question, how much a year do you guys pay for insurance? on your 250's
SOLD 2005 kx 250f.
- pro circuit ti-4 full exhaust
- pro circuit water pump system
- hinson clutch
wishing i could buy a new bike!
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January 26th 2010 at 9:51 PM
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Dekk
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657 Posts
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Location: Hawarden, Iowa, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kawasaki KX250F
Race Number: 25
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I don't have insurance on my bike. It's really not worth it for me. As far as I know it is not Iowa law to have insurance on your dirtbike. And it wouldn't matter anyways cause if I got in to a incident with a cop I would proubly just run, they can't catch a dirtbike anyways...
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January 26th 2010 at 10:18 PM
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Kawi_Rider_316
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Location: Ocheyedan, Ia, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kx 250F
Race Number: 316
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I think I've alwasy had to register my bike when I buy it? Maybe thats just for new ones though that you have to do it right away im not sure. I know on our 125 we had a bill of sale... And we have or bikes all insured im not sure how much it is but its very cheap. I would say its worth it I mean its REALLY cheap I will ask my dad tomorrow but we didnt have them at first because we thought home owners would cover it since its in the garage but apparently not...
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January 27th 2010 at 8:24 AM
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Savage-CR
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I am in Ontario also. Go to the MTO with your bill of sale. You will have to fill out a form saying you didn't steal it and what not, but only if it was never registered. If it has been registered to someone other than what your bill of sale says, you might get a hard time. Also if you can, get him to re-write one or do it yourself and make the purchase price lower so you pay less tax, or even say it was a straight up trade for no tax.
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January 27th 2010 at 5:16 PM
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Dekk
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Location: Hawarden, Iowa, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kawasaki KX250F
Race Number: 25
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Quote originally posted by Kawi_Rider_316
I think I've alwasy had to register my bike when I buy it? Maybe thats just for new ones though that you have to do it right away im not sure. I know on our 125 we had a bill of sale... And we have or bikes all insured im not sure how much it is but its very cheap. I would say its worth it I mean its REALLY cheap I will ask my dad tomorrow but we didnt have them at first because we thought home owners would cover it since its in the garage but apparently not...
What kind of policy do you have? Just liability?
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January 27th 2010 at 6:22 PM
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MX86
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Current Dirtbike: 2006 Yamaha yz250
Race Number: 86
Sponsors: X-Brand, Gravity Worx
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I don't insure my bike.
Living Life 1 berm at a time.
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January 27th 2010 at 7:05 PM
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Kawi_Rider_316
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Group: Members
Member Since: July 11th 2008
Location: Ocheyedan, Ia, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kx 250F
Race Number: 316
Sponsors: Spencer Motorsports
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We have comprehensive,my dad said its like 20$ a bike per year... So thats not bad. He said it covers theft, and if we were to get into an accident on the road while hauling them they would be covered.
"Jump for show, Corner for dough"
"In ball and stick sports they give you the balls, In Motocross you have to bring your own"
Sponsors:
Glens Sport Center, FC MODS, MSR, Sunline, Tag, Filtron, Six Six One, Steel Mx, Dunlop,
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January 27th 2010 at 7:40 PM
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1down5up
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I really should get insurance on mine. Damn would it suck if someone walked off with my bike and left me with nothing.
If you can't afford a new four stroke, you can't afford a used one either!
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January 27th 2010 at 9:28 PM
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DarksideCR
My givadamn broke and I aint fucking fixing it!
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Location: Kirkland lake, ONTARIO, Canada
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Your suppose to be riding your dirtbike where the police cant go.
The honda revolution continues!
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January 27th 2010 at 9:40 PM
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rmz-rider
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Location: Ontario, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 05 kxf 250
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Quote originally posted by DarksideCR
Your suppose to be riding your dirtbike where the police cant go.
well i dont mind riding a few trails here and there, and cops very rarely sit at the start/end of a trail and stop you.
i just dont want to get in trouble for something that could be easily prevented Quote originally posted by Kawi_Rider_316
We have comprehensive,my dad said its like 20$ a bike per year... So thats not bad. He said it covers theft, and if we were to get into an accident on the road while hauling them they would be covered.
thats not bad at all!
i pay $270 a year for my sled and thats only liability! Quote originally posted by Savage-CR
I am in Ontario also. Go to the MTO with your bill of sale. You will have to fill out a form saying you didn't steal it and what not, but only if it was never registered. If it has been registered to someone other than what your bill of sale says, you might get a hard time. Also if you can, get him to re-write one or do it yourself and make the purchase price lower so you pay less tax, or even say it was a straight up trade for no tax.
ok thanks for your advice!
and yes thats what i usually do with my purchases. saves a couple bucks when paying taxes!
SOLD 2005 kx 250f.
- pro circuit ti-4 full exhaust
- pro circuit water pump system
- hinson clutch
wishing i could buy a new bike!
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January 27th 2010 at 10:55 PM
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MX4life
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Current Dirtbike: 02 CR250/86 XR100
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Quote originally posted by Suzi_Rider
I don't have insurance on my bike. It's really not worth it for me. As far as I know it is not Iowa law to have insurance on your dirtbike. And it wouldn't matter anyways cause if I got in to a incident with a cop I would proubly just run, they can't catch a dirtbike anyways...
You say that now, its a different story when they pull up behind you! (i know the feeling all to well) ahaha 
When i got my ticket the cop told me i coulden't insure my bike and if i did find a company that would it would be more money then its worth.
On another note, i wish i would have gotten the guy i bought my bike off of to write a little less on the bill of sale to save me a little money.
2002 Honda CR250R
1986 Honda XR100R
2002 Honda CR125R(SOLD)
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January 28th 2010 at 7:58 AM
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Savage-CR
Savage
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I called to get insurance and they said not without my M1.
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January 28th 2010 at 11:32 AM
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DarksideCR
My givadamn broke and I aint fucking fixing it!
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Location: Kirkland lake, ONTARIO, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 2000 CR250R
Sponsors: Vortex
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Depends on running, if you know there behind you and you can easily get away in the bush in a matter of seconds without looking back, Do it. I wouldn't start a big chase. if ur far from the bush they you made it obvious that you saw them, then stop.
Who the hell even wants insurance anyway, biggest waste of money these days. You will be paying rediculous amounts for a race bike, you aint gunna cover a blown up engine on insurance. If the bike gets stolen you never get the amount you want, plus your payment goes up!
The honda revolution continues!
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January 28th 2010 at 1:00 PM
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Kawi_Rider_316
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619 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 11th 2008
Location: Ocheyedan, Ia, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kx 250F
Race Number: 316
Sponsors: Spencer Motorsports
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Well we dont have insurance on our race bikes for blown engine, or for crashing and breaking parts. Just from theft and non riding related incident (such as an accident hauling them or somthing). We may not get what we want back if either of those ever happened but we would at least get something back. Its only 20$ a year per bike... Too me it seems like it makes sense to have it.
"Jump for show, Corner for dough"
"In ball and stick sports they give you the balls, In Motocross you have to bring your own"
Sponsors:
Glens Sport Center, FC MODS, MSR, Sunline, Tag, Filtron, Six Six One, Steel Mx, Dunlop,
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January 28th 2010 at 2:28 PM
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DarksideCR
My givadamn broke and I aint fucking fixing it!
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Location: Kirkland lake, ONTARIO, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 2000 CR250R
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I thought it was expensive for race bikes..
The honda revolution continues!
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January 28th 2010 at 9:10 PM
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Kawi_Rider_316
Team Not Even Scared
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619 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 11th 2008
Location: Ocheyedan, Ia, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kx 250F
Race Number: 316
Sponsors: Spencer Motorsports
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I guess not. We have 4 race bikes and they are all 20$ a peice a year. Not sure why race bikes would be more than a trail bike or any other dirt bike.
"Jump for show, Corner for dough"
"In ball and stick sports they give you the balls, In Motocross you have to bring your own"
Sponsors:
Glens Sport Center, FC MODS, MSR, Sunline, Tag, Filtron, Six Six One, Steel Mx, Dunlop,
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January 29th 2010 at 9:36 AM
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DarksideCR
My givadamn broke and I aint fucking fixing it!
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Location: Kirkland lake, ONTARIO, Canada
Current Dirtbike: 2000 CR250R
Sponsors: Vortex
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I guess it depends what your covering on them, They would be the same for theft. But not for repairs.
The honda revolution continues!
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January 30th 2010 at 12:02 AM
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Kawi_Rider_316
Team Not Even Scared
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619 Posts
Group: Members
Member Since: July 11th 2008
Location: Ocheyedan, Ia, USA
Current Dirtbike: Kx 250F
Race Number: 316
Sponsors: Spencer Motorsports
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Ya. I don't know if you can insure bikes for repairs. You probley can I really have no clue but Im sure it would never pay off because insurance would be so high. I can see how race bikes would be more to insure in that case though.
"Jump for show, Corner for dough"
"In ball and stick sports they give you the balls, In Motocross you have to bring your own"
Sponsors:
Glens Sport Center, FC MODS, MSR, Sunline, Tag, Filtron, Six Six One, Steel Mx, Dunlop,
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