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How and why is this?
- Shifting?
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June 15th 2011 at 5:18 PM
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Dirt_Rider
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Location: Alton, NH, USA
Current Dirtbike: 2007 Honda CRF 250/280 R
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Now I am wondering, how can I shift my dirt bike without even touching the clutch?????
Dirt Bike History:
2007 Honda CRF 250/280 R - CURRENT
2009 125cc Pit bike - CURRENT - OUT OF SERVICE (No Motor)
2004 Suzuki RM-Z 250 - SOLD
2003 Suzuki DRZ 125 - SOLD
1987 Honda Cr80r - SOLD
Snowmobile History:
2007 Ski-Doo MXZ Renegade 600 SDI with 2100 miles - SOLD
2005 Ski-Doo MXZX 440 with 109 miles - SOLD
2006 Arctic cat Crossfire 600 EFI Sno-Pro with 1200 miles - SOLD
2004 Arctic Cat Sabercat 500LX with 5600 miles - SOLD
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June 15th 2011 at 7:04 PM
[ Modified June 15th 2011 at 7:22 PM
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PolarisPredatorTLD500
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Well, you don't have to shift with the clutch. MX bikes are able to bang/speed shift for racing. BUT you have to time when you shift right. Using the clutch takes more time to shift while on a track. Since you just bought your bike and are probably still getting used to the shift points I suggest using the clutch. Also, take note I am talking about upshifting. I suggest you always use the clutch when downshifting, but there are some people who don't. Downshifting without the clutch is okay at low rpms but at 10000 rmps its killer. Many people have their own opinion on this.
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June 15th 2011 at 8:49 PM
[ Modified June 15th 2011 at 8:50 PM
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Dirt_Rider
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Current Dirtbike: 2007 Honda CRF 250/280 R
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Quote originally posted by PolarisPredatorTLD500 Well, you don't have to shift with the clutch. MX bikes are able to bang/speed shift for racing. BUT you have to time when you shift right. Using the clutch takes more time to shift while on a track. Since you just bought your bike and are probably still getting used to the shift points I suggest using the clutch. Also, take note I am talking about upshifting. I suggest you always use the clutch when downshifting, but there are some people who don't. Downshifting without the clutch is okay at low rpms but at 10000 rmps its killer. Many people have their own opinion on this. Yeah, I always use the clutch. I think its more fun that way. But I jut noticed it why I was playing around in the yard
Dirt Bike History:
2007 Honda CRF 250/280 R - CURRENT
2009 125cc Pit bike - CURRENT - OUT OF SERVICE (No Motor)
2004 Suzuki RM-Z 250 - SOLD
2003 Suzuki DRZ 125 - SOLD
1987 Honda Cr80r - SOLD
Snowmobile History:
2007 Ski-Doo MXZ Renegade 600 SDI with 2100 miles - SOLD
2005 Ski-Doo MXZX 440 with 109 miles - SOLD
2006 Arctic cat Crossfire 600 EFI Sno-Pro with 1200 miles - SOLD
2004 Arctic Cat Sabercat 500LX with 5600 miles - SOLD
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June 15th 2011 at 9:29 PM
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MX86
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I don't condone shifting without use of the clutch, however it is possible, however it puts a lot of stress on the dog arms and cogs in the tranny.
Living Life 1 berm at a time.
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June 15th 2011 at 10:04 PM
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vamped400
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I always use my clutch to upshift and downshift. The less time you have to split the cases, the better.
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June 16th 2011 at 8:51 AM
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polarisiq93
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the only time i really wouldnt use the clutch to upshift if out of the hole, you can start in second and then tap up to third.. as far as downshifting its not that hard to just pull in the clutch and tap down.. youll get more drive out of the corners anyways by using the clutch .. just my opinion of how i ride though..
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June 16th 2011 at 11:51 AM
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Kawi_Rider_316
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I rarely use the clutch to upshift. Obviously you have to have it in the right RPM range while your doing this. But its just become 2nd nature to me to upshift without the clutch, I havent had any tranny problems but Im shifting at the right time were it doesnt make a loud noise or rev way up between shifts (like some people I see shifting without clutch) However, I always use my clutch to downshift.
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June 16th 2011 at 5:57 PM
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MX86
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I always use my clutch to keep the bike in the powerband :)
Living Life 1 berm at a time.
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June 16th 2011 at 10:32 PM
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Kawi_Rider_316
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2 strokes are different, you use the clutch obviously much more. But still, on my 125 I dont use the clutch to shift at high speeds, obviously comiong out of corners and stuff I do but from say 4th to 5th or sometimes even 3rd to 4th I dont use it.
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June 16th 2011 at 10:38 PM
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PolarisPredatorTLD500
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Quote originally posted by Kawi_Rider_316
2 strokes are different, you use the clutch obviously much more. But still, on my 125 I dont use the clutch to shift at high speeds, obviously comiong out of corners and stuff I do but from say 4th to 5th or sometimes even 3rd to 4th I dont use it.
Exactly, on a 2T you gotta use the clutch more especially exiting turns.
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June 16th 2011 at 10:55 PM
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Dekk
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Slightly off topic but when trying to ride a long wheelie when your shifting thru gears not clutching it wont total out your transmission?
Also do u let off and shift or power shift
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June 17th 2011 at 8:24 PM
[ Modified June 17th 2011 at 8:27 PM
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polarisiq93
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Quote originally posted by Kawi_Rider_316
I rarely use the clutch to upshift. Obviously you have to have it in the right RPM range while your doing this. But its just become 2nd nature to me to upshift without the clutch, I havent had any tranny problems but Im shifting at the right time were it doesnt make a loud noise or rev way up between shifts (like some people I see shifting without clutch) However, I always use my clutch to downshift.
if your really good on your bike and a good rider (like you are) you can shift like that, me personally id probably be one of those guys shifting at the wrong time not using the clutch hahaha
Quote originally posted by Dekk
Slightly off topic but when trying to ride a long wheelie when your shifting thru gears not clutching it wont total out your transmission?
Also do u let off and shift or power shift
im guessing he power shifts and keeps it in the right rpm range like he said. i find kawys are really touchy with the shifting cause the gears are substantially shorter than some of the other brands.. the only time i upshift without clutch is just 2nd to 3rd off the holeshot like i said.. however im not as good of a rider as kawi rider
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June 19th 2011 at 2:12 PM
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1down5up
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dirtbikes use a constant-mesh transmission, meaning all gears are always spinning at the same RPM. In theory it shouldn't matter if you use the clutch or not. All a clutch really is is a device to seperate the crank from the transmission. I often don't use my clutch in certain situations where I need to hang on tight or simply don't have time to reach for the clutch. I would, however, recommend using the clutch under heavy stress loads, it's possible to bend a shift fork by trying to slide a gear while it's under a heavy load. especially if you're one that likes to stomp on shifters.
If you can't afford a new four stroke, you can't afford a used one either!
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June 19th 2011 at 5:26 PM
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Kawi_Rider_316
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Dekk. I don't use my clutch when wheelieing but I let off. And run between the brake/gas, usually keep it in 3rd. To be honest though, Im not much of a "wheelier" I'd say 90% of my friends can ride longer wheelie's than me, I just never spent that much time messin with it I guess.
As far as if I let off or not it just depends on the situation. But for the most part I do let off, maybe not all the way but at least some, Like 1down5up said it doesnt really matter unless the bikes under alot of load. Hence why I said in my earlier post such as on my 125 2nd and 3rd outa the corner I ussually clutch (keep in in the powerband, and accelerating hard under load) 4th to 5th, even 3rd to 4th sometimes I dont worry about the clutch because their isnt near the load on the engine.
Also on Kawi's (weather your using you clutch or not) I've noticed 2nd-3rd you HAVE to make sure your fully shifting, Kawi's are much easier to hit a false neutral between those gears than other bikes. Ive mainly noticed that on 08-10... Like polaris said Kawi does have shorter gears than other bikes, which can be fixed with a sprocket and cam swap...
"Jump for show, Corner for dough"
"In ball and stick sports they give you the balls, In Motocross you have to bring your own"
Sponsors:
Glens Sport Center, FC MODS, MSR, Sunline, Tag, Filtron, Six Six One, Steel Mx, Dunlop,
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June 19th 2011 at 5:40 PM
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Dekk
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Thanks for clearing everything up. Once my bike is moving again I'll have to do some experimenting with not clutching.
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June 20th 2011 at 8:02 AM
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polarisiq93
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Quote originally posted by Kawi_Rider_316
Dekk. I don't use my clutch when wheelieing but I let off. And run between the brake/gas, usually keep it in 3rd. To be honest though, Im not much of a "wheelier" I'd say 90% of my friends can ride longer wheelie's than me, I just never spent that much time messin with it I guess.
As far as if I let off or not it just depends on the situation. But for the most part I do let off, maybe not all the way but at least some, Like 1down5up said it doesnt really matter unless the bikes under alot of load. Hence why I said in my earlier post such as on my 125 2nd and 3rd outa the corner I ussually clutch (keep in in the powerband, and accelerating hard under load) 4th to 5th, even 3rd to 4th sometimes I dont worry about the clutch because their isnt near the load on the engine.
Also on Kawi's (weather your using you clutch or not) I've noticed 2nd-3rd you HAVE to make sure your fully shifting, Kawi's are much easier to hit a false neutral between those gears than other bikes. Ive mainly noticed that on 08-10... Like polaris said Kawi does have shorter gears than other bikes, which can be fixed with a sprocket and cam swap...
ya that is true.. i hit a false nuetral sometimes and it doesnt shift and its always from 2nd to 3rd. i was wondering, thanks !
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